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Okay. This thread makes some equally good and equally irrelevant points;
I put an asterisk next to Duncan's name because he was only a superstar calibur player once in their meet ups. Same with Drose though I forgot the asterisk. I alr stated I don't consider Paul George- https://twitter.com/alliconicsports/status/1278237459571245057
I put an asterisk next to Duncan's name because he was only a superstar calibur player once in their meet ups. Same with Drose though I forgot the asterisk. I alr stated I don't consider Paul George- https://twitter.com/alliconicsports/status/1278237459571245057
a Superstar, especially not their first 2 meetings. I didn't count the Nets versions of Garnett and Pierce at of fairness. Really, neither player was even All-Star calibur player at that point.
Maybe I should've specified PR clarified this but I only considered superstars who-
Maybe I should've specified PR clarified this but I only considered superstars who-
were still in Superstar form when they played Lebron or Jordan. That's why I grouped together the Big 3 Celtics, they didn't have a superstar really. Just 4 (3 really good) All-Stars. And I didn't have to include them because of this, but I did.
Regarding Lebron and MJ's help;
I did say holding MJ to a loss that isn't his fault because he had inferior help isn't fair, and I'd say the same thing for Lebron's career and most points and that's why I don't really take Lebron's 2007, 2015, 2018 finals losses seriously.
I did say holding MJ to a loss that isn't his fault because he had inferior help isn't fair, and I'd say the same thing for Lebron's career and most points and that's why I don't really take Lebron's 2007, 2015, 2018 finals losses seriously.
But even if they had weaker help, the losses still very much occurred and should be counted. It just so happens that MJ's weaker teams come before his first championship run so their records weren't in my runs. It is a really good point you make, though.
Losses are losses. No where did I say Lebron losing to that Pistons team has anything to do with why I think he's not the goat.
I'm not that biased. But even then why would I give an extreme amount of context to a Lebron loss in a thread focused on Jordan, mainly.
I'm not that biased. But even then why would I give an extreme amount of context to a Lebron loss in a thread focused on Jordan, mainly.
And finally, you seem to take issue with who I consider a superstar.
I didn't / don't truly consider Reggie Miller a superstar, and was struggling on whether or not to include him so I made a poll, "Was Reggie Miller a superstar" and not only did "yes" win, but a few of my-
I didn't / don't truly consider Reggie Miller a superstar, and was struggling on whether or not to include him so I made a poll, "Was Reggie Miller a superstar" and not only did "yes" win, but a few of my-
-mutuals also pointed out the fact that while he might not be a superstar statistically, they'd consider him a playoff superstar. So that's why he ended up there.
Jimmy Butler: doesn't coincide with my definition of a superstar at any point in his career
Jimmy Butler: doesn't coincide with my definition of a superstar at any point in his career
Paul George: only year you could argue is 2017 and I wouldn't consider him a superstar then.
Alonzo Mourning: had superstar talent when he played MJ, and was an MVP candidate later on, but had some of his most dominant statistical seasons in years when he faced MJ.
Alonzo Mourning: had superstar talent when he played MJ, and was an MVP candidate later on, but had some of his most dominant statistical seasons in years when he faced MJ.
If you don't agree with some of my really opinions, okay?
Good thread, though.
Good thread, though.
